Talk:Super Straight

Super Straight flag

I propose changing the "Super Straight" flag on this page to File:SuperStraight.png, or amending it into a "gallery" section as an alternative flag. This flag seems to be the more popular/identifiable flag used online. I am unsure which came first, but the symbology of the sex symbols seem to be catching on a lot more in those circles, which is understandable as the 2-tone plain flag seems to be rather plain. Further, it is easy to mistake it with the anarchist Mutualism flag. --Kizzycocoa^(talk) 02:09, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

This has since been sorted, thanks Guns Før Hands! --Kizzycocoa^(talk) 04:20, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Super Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual

I tried to add pages for these spinoff sexualities, but it seems a moderator deemed them unnecessary. Nevertheless, these concepts exist, and I feel it is important they too are noted. If they aren't to have their own pages, I would recommend adding redirects on each of these other sexualities, and have them point to a section on this page that outlines their existence. I'd further suggest adding the respective File:SuperGay.png, File:SuperLesbian.png and File:SuperBisexual.png flags in the previously suggested gallery on this page. --Kizzycocoa^(talk) 02:15, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

The gallery section of this has been sorted, thanks Guns Før Hands!

Though the redirects seem to be rejected. I still think there should be redirects for these other terms. Why were they deleted? --Kizzycocoa^(talk) 04:20, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

4Chan Nazi Flag

Would it be for the best we add the 4Chan version of Super Straight? That flag originated from 4chan and I do believe we should add this to inform. --Unsigned comment by Transgender_Cat

I would disagree with the addition of that flag. To their credit, anyone even half-serious about this sexuality actively disavows the SS flag/Nazism, and it seems even within the 4chan place of origin as several people were remixing the flag, it was slapped down mere moments after being posted. even 4chan had the sense to reject that design when popularising it.

It is worth noting that 4Chan attempted to append nazi symbolism to the sexuality (as it currently does), but I think that flag holds no validity among the vast majority who have picked this up. --Kizzycocoa^(talk) 07:12, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Makes sense! --Unsigned comment by Transgender_Cat

This article misses the point

This article is biased and fails to inform that the purpose of this sexual orientation is to defend the right to be attracted to who you are attracted to. In a wikia that even has an article about the "gamer" gender it's very strange that the people here can't accept the simple fact that some people are only attracted to people of the other sex.

SS is a sarcastic critique of people who claims that straight people can't choose not to date trans people and how their arguments are suspiciously close to the arguments bigoted people use to invalidate gays or trans people, which is ironic. This article fails to see that irony and therefore fails to see the purpose of the SS movement which is simply that people are tired of being told what they should be attracted to and of people telling them their sexuality isn't valid and being called transphobic for not wanting to date trans people. There is nothing transphobic about this sexual orientation unless you take as true the dogma that if you don't want to date trans people you are transphobic. But I think that's open to debate and you shouldn't impose that opinion on others and use the term "transphobic" so lightly.

Also trying to associate the super straight with the Nazis is dishonest since 4chan has also made trans flags with the Nazi symbol and memes that mix the transsexual with the Nazi and this isn't mentioned on the wiki page about transsexuals.

Lemat90 (talk) 19:30, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

As an administrator I would like to clarify on some things. Firstly many take this seriously, and it its no longer something that's a light-hearded troll movement, its beginning to hurt transgender lives. There's plenty of testimonies where queer/LGBT+ people's account was doxxed or nearly by these people. Above that many use this seriously as it is seen in Reddit. I would also like to add its important to talk about 4chan and TERFs taking this term to hurt others with it. Above that this doesn't qualify as an orientation, but more as a label. I understand the light bias and I can do my best to adjust that but saying its an entire satire run is wrong. Many people are using this to be transphobic, in addition to that Super Straight is very much transphobic. As it implies its better to not date trans people. Its not transphobic to not date us but its transphobic to act you are more of a certain orientation to not date us. Please understand this is meant to be an overview on the entire event. But if you want me to remove biased wording kindly point this out to me so I can adjust it properly.

-Transgender Cat

Thank you for considering my criticism of the article. In my opinion the following points are somewhat biased:

"This" orientation "is most commonly used by cisgender people who consider transgender people to be their assigned gender at birth / do not view trans people as the gender they actually are."

The point is not that SS people don't see trans people as the gender they identify with but that they can often see beyond that and it's biological sex what they take into consideration. For example, a SS person would date a non binary person if they are of the opposite sex.

"Other transphobic groups" implies that this group is indeed trasnphobic or has a transphobic intent, which again misses the point. Obviously many people who hate trans people will jump into the band wagon and use this with malicious intent but that's not the original intention behind SS and there are malicious, hateful people in every group.

The "Transphobia and issues" section is the worst one imo and if you decide to change something I'll hope its at least this. I I don't think SS was created to exclude and even less dehumanize trans people. Nor to say people who date trans individuals are gay. The focus of this is not on trans people but on the self proclamed super straight people themselves. It's just a way of saying "hey if you say I can't have a preference regarding biological sex then I will make a new sexuality to see if you accept me now". This is an attack on trans people, same as being a gay man is not an attack on women. Because it's not about women in the first place.

Thanks for your attention I hope you take into consideration these points.

Lemat90 (talk) 20:20, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Alright, I will adjust the first thing you pointed out, I will instead add on that "it is a commonly associated with the idea of trans people are not of their gender, however those say they are only primarily focus on ones biological sex." I'll try to include both sides of the argument to be more informative.

Now what you have said in this part: "implies that this group is indeed transhobic or has a transphobic intent, which again misses the point. Obviously many people who hate trans people will jump into the band wagon and use this with malicious intent but that's not the original intention behind SS and there are malicious, hateful people in every group. ." I will not edit much, I might add on somethings but the point is how other transphobic groups is joining in to use this for malintent.

Now the "Transphobia and Issues" Section I'll just add both sides of the argument for multiple points. Because for the most part the larger part of SS is the transphobes, also: "The focus of this is not on trans people but on the self proclamed super straight people themselves. It's just a way of saying "hey if you say I can't have a preference regarding biological sex then I will make a new sexuality to see if you accept me now". This is an attack on trans people, same as being a gay man is not an attack on women. Because it's not about women in the first place." I am not sure if I can add that in, as I don't see anyone with this idea that can be linked proof. Unless there is a group of SS who do are genuine allies and do care for trans lives then I won't really add this in. However, someone you can definitely discuss this to is sysop @Double-bi, he may have a better answer than me when it comes to adding information.

-Transgender Cat

Hello both - I took the liberty of doing some formatting tweaks, I suggest using : marks to track chat indentation - which will also help to distinguish replies to more than 2 users. It makes reading replies so much easier. Just reply to the person under their message with the same amount they used, +1 more. looks nicer on the page.

For my two cents, honestly, I think it is more than just a joke at this point. I think this is going to go mainstream (or at least, nichestream), with people identifying with it legitimately. It is already happening, and it seems to be a consequence of political ideologies and views on gender and sex.

There is hate for trans from SuperStraight people, as well as hate for the people identifying as SuperStraight from the LGBT community. It was bait in a sense to get the community to show hatred to straight people using the "same rules" we have when making new genders and sexualities, and the worst of us proved their point and took the bait. But with the spinoff sexualities SuperGay, SuperLesbian and SuperBisexual, it exposes an even deeper divide.

Honestly, with Skoliosexual (now rebranded "Ceterosexual"), this whole thing was inevitable in my view. This was enabled in reverse long before SuperStraight was a thing. But more than that, there is a fundamental reckoning we need to have with sexuality and gender. Sexuality is one's personal sexual attraction based on gender. Gender is a self-informed definition of another person. It is at a point that someone's personal sexual attractions are reliant on a third party's self identity, which is a rather paradoxical situation to have, and when laid bare, makes no sense. How can someone else's self-image affect if you're sexually attracted to them?

I think to deny SuperStraight as a sexuality is only going to age poorly. Even if we tell people that isn't a sexuality, they'll say it is. It is Sapiosexuality all over again. to deny it from the LGBT community, absolutely. SuperStraight is not under any aspects, L, G, B or T.

But then we have to consider the spinoffs as well. is SuperGay LGBT? SuperBisexual? These are harrowing and concerning questions that we can either pretend don't exist, or will need to address.

Honestly, I think it will be a losing battle to try to fight the Supersexualities. It was designed to cause strife between trans, LGBT and straight people - a "red pill" moment, if you will. I see on twitter Super Straight people showing This Comic specifically, and a lot of Super Straight identifying people taking the high road, saying "I don't hate trans people, but with respect, I'm just not sexually attracted to them". Perhaps a better solution is to mirror that attitude. Some people may well have those feelings, and do support trans people. I've seen and heard of multiple people showing just that. It may be better - as a community - to work with the super straights etc. to stamp down on transphobia, with mutual respect and understanding - while being sure to emphasise, particularly to the SuperStraights, that this doesn't make them LGBT or persecuted. The more this is denied, the more persecuted they can claim to be.

I don't know, I'm just rambling. I'm a very hippie-dippie "can't we all just get along, guys?" sorta guy. I just wonder why both groups can't just (metaphorically) kiss and make up with mutual respect. Lets not fight, and have unity? Or at least, some understanding. --Kizzycocoa^(talk) 02:31, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Integration when sharing

Weirdly, in the superstraight page, the integration when sharing (on discord, notably) is the supergay flag, not the superstraight one.